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Zimmerman: It wasn’t my gun, it wasn’t his gun, it was “THE” gun. What do you think??

December 6, 2012

In the comments section of the previous blog about the CTH, itsallboutmeash posted some very interesting photographs that could easily explain the injuries to the back of George Zimmerman’s head.  I wanted to put these photographs together along with another that Twitter follower, Zimmerman Lies has contributed.  Personally, I think the photographs are right on target in explaining what could have made the injuries on the back of Zimmerman’s head but I will leave it to you to decide.

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(courtesy of itsallboutmeash)

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(courtesy of itsallboutmeash)

Now, if you will notice the “boo-boo” that is located a little more than halfway down his head doesn’t have anything that we can see on the gun that may explain that, well, take a look at this picture and tell me what you think.

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(courtesy of Zimmerman Lies)

Flip the gun in the direction that Itsallboutmeash has it, and BOOM, there you have it.

I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.

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  1. December 6, 2012 7:56 pm

    Amazing possibility, isn’t it? I remember one EMT wrote in his report that the head cuts were caused by a thrown object.

  2. trayvonstruth permalink
    December 6, 2012 9:03 pm

    Nothing would surprise me about this case any more and I mean that honestly. I’m appalled at what this has become.

    • December 7, 2012 4:34 pm

      Nothing would surprise me at this point either. I saw a similar picture demonstrating the same thing months ago and immediately thought, hmm, yeah he would do this. I suppose God told him to take the gun and crack himself in the head with it too – I wouldnt put anything past this deranged idiot.

  3. December 6, 2012 9:41 pm

    It’s hard to say for sure. But, there definitely IS something “round” making a mark on Zimmerman’s head, not something that would be caused by a flat concrete walkway. And it IS awfully coincidental that the bleeding boo book “just happens” to line up with that protrusion in the gun.

    Now why would Zimmerman have done this?

    I can imagine, to increase his injuries as quickly as possible, knowing instinctively that he has to justify the killing. There are multiple witnesses that say he did raise his hand/hands to the top of his head immediately after the shooting.

    Or, let’s face it. Zimmerman, seemed to have mental problems and may have been hyped up on his Adderal and/or other substances. I can also invision him, in a moment of frustration, “slapping” himself in his own head for being “stupid”.

    In other words, I don’t think it’s a “conspiracy theory” to consider this as a possibility. There is definitely strange markings on Zimmerman’s head that are not consistent with the tales that he’s told.

    I don’t see why this shouldn’t be considered as a valid possibility.

    • trayvonstruth permalink
      December 6, 2012 9:44 pm

      Just as I said, nothing would come as a surprise to me if it relates to Zimmerman.

    • December 7, 2012 4:36 pm

      Let’s just hope that the prosecution takes all possible scenarios into consideration. It’s the only way to get to the bottom of it. Well you know, besides using common sense lol

  4. itsallboutmeash permalink
    December 7, 2012 1:17 am

    That chamber check button is right where his one wound is and the clip release button is right were the other cut is.

  5. Tavia Anderson permalink
    December 7, 2012 1:33 am

    Just as many have said those wounds were self inflicted….. SMH at this liar, yo Zimmerpig your BUSTED again.

  6. OJsglove permalink
    December 7, 2012 8:22 am

    having owned a kel-tec the photos do not look proportional imo,, The P-11 9mm is only 5.6 inches long, 4.3 inches tall, and 1 inch thick. And remember Zimm has a big ass melon.

    • itsallboutmeash permalink
      December 7, 2012 10:06 am

      Not sure how you know George’s hat size but draw out a tape measure to 5.6 inches and put it up to the back of you head. You will see it takes up most of it.

    • itsallboutmeash permalink
      December 7, 2012 10:11 am

      The kel-tec is about the size of your hand. Not quite as long but a little wider then mine. I put my hand to the back of my head and it covers a good portion of it. I have a giant head for this giant brain.

  7. itsallboutmeash permalink
    December 7, 2012 12:44 pm

    It has just been brought to my attention that the gun George used to kill Trayvon and probably hit himself in the head with was Shellie Zimmerman’s gun. This brings up the question who had George’s gun at this time and why?

    • December 7, 2012 2:25 pm

      Well, I did notice in one of the documents that was released this week by GZlegal case, DID mention the gun had been bought by Shellie. Now, I don’t know if that means Shellie had bought George the gun as a “gift” but it’s registered to him, or if it was Shellie’s gun — but I suspect the former. I thought we saw in other documents released that the gun was registered to George.

      • December 7, 2012 3:17 pm

        There was a news report when the State of Florida noticed ShelLIE that her license to own and carry a gun was revoked. There was no such report for GZ. The State has no need to revoke a license that is not valid.

        Several people posting on Leatherman’s blog have stated that GZ’s CCL was not valid. Payment for the class required was returned to him, reasonably suggesting that he did not take or either failed the class.

        The bottom line is that there is doubt that GZ’s CCL is valid and if so, he was carrying illegally.

        • December 7, 2012 4:02 pm

          Let it be so….another peg out the mountain of bs theories from the nutters.

        • December 13, 2012 8:59 pm

          the only permit a person realy needs is being a citizen any permit process is illegal because rights don’t need permits.

        • December 13, 2012 10:06 pm

          @Miguel.

          the only permit a person realy needs is being a citizen any permit process is illegal because rights don’t need permits.

          I take it that you believe in Sovereign citizenship because that is one of their theories..

    • August 4, 2013 10:37 pm

      the other two accomplices that cornered Trayvon and held him so he couldn’t go home.and blended in with the spectators. after the murder. the truth will come out.

  8. itsallboutmeash permalink
    December 7, 2012 12:46 pm

    Another interesting thing about this gun is that O’Mara appears to be trying to hide the owner of the gun in state documents he released.

    Compare this photo to the one above.

  9. December 7, 2012 12:55 pm

    I am almost feeling sorry for Shellie Zimmerman, !st she let Cheorge take a gun that legally belongs to her and carry it around conceal on him like he was a Cop? Next he had her to lie to the Courts? We already know that Cheorge is abusive to Women including his Cousin and Mother! Could it be that he’s abusing Shellie and she somewhat afraid of Him?

    • trayvonstruth permalink
      December 7, 2012 1:19 pm

      I guess anything is possible; however, ShelLIE comes from a family who isn’t afraid of breaking the law so I think she is more than aware of her role in this tragedy. Not many people are brazen enough to lie to a judge in a court of law. They all think that they are above the law.

  10. December 7, 2012 3:57 pm

    I dont doubt anything that could be possible in this case…but when did he have time to injure himself…anyone?

    • trayvonstruth permalink
      December 7, 2012 4:02 pm

      When the witness reports him, immediately after firing the shot, pacing and he kept moving his hands to his head like “what the hell have I done.”

      • December 7, 2012 4:45 pm

        that is what I was thinking too…hmmm…very strange and like I said nothing surprises me in this case…wow.

      • blushedbrown permalink
        December 7, 2012 6:23 pm

        or, “What happen to that person who was with me at the start of all this. hmmmm

    • December 7, 2012 4:38 pm

      Yes, definitely time after the shot. Listen to Jeremy’s 911 call if your interested in the amount of time he would have had to do this. SOB!

  11. December 8, 2012 7:21 am

    I believe since day one that he staged his injuries. I believe his face injuries were because he was a clutz and ran into a tree branch. The back head injuries I believe are staged, as witnesses did state he was fiddling with his head after murdering the kid and he needed to come up with something to not go to prison

  12. December 8, 2012 7:23 am

    Maybe the state already knows this because Zimmernuts Fogenhats dna was found all over the gun. If they can match the dna that would be consisten to that of a head (such as perhaps roots for hair growth) we can conclusively say that the gun made contact with the back of the head

  13. Kate permalink
    December 9, 2012 6:21 pm

    Plausible. But when would someone have had time to knock him in the head with the pistol between the struggle and the first person coming up to them after the murdered the kid? The other thing I just noticed is the blood has 2 directions on his head. 1. downward from an upright position and 2. downward as if the head was facing the ground. If he was on his back as he claimed, which evidence shows otherwise, the blood would be smeared all over as he claims he was trying to wiggle from under Martin. Maybe Im mistaken.

    • trayvonstruth permalink
      December 9, 2012 7:52 pm

      You are totally correct. The blood would have been all over the back of his head. Such a liar he is.

    • Linda permalink
      July 1, 2013 1:03 pm

      There would be much more damage to the back of his head if what he claimed happened, actually did. Plus if your head is hit hard enough you could pass out or have a small concussion. He did not. Seems to me he had his wits about him to concoct a good story to explain what happened in “his” terms. Having a pretty much shaved head haircut, he would have major scraping from the sidewalk. But didn’t they find Trayvon on the grass? If this took place on the pavement, why no pool of blood in 2 places? His and Trayvons?

      • eclecticsandra permalink
        July 4, 2013 5:22 pm

        I think he did have a lapse in consciousness. This would explain the problems in his story.

  14. December 11, 2012 1:55 pm

    GZ has more than enough problems with his actions, his own inconsistent stories about what and why he did what did, and exactly when he did disregarding the instructions of the instructions law enforcement agent he was talking to before he went hunting for Trayvon
    because he says in his in voice ” that these a….holes always get away” and he also says Trayvon ” was running away from him to the rear entrance” which is what Travon’s girlfriend told him to do to avoid
    any confrontation with a stranger who had been scopping him out.
    Zimmerman clearly wanted to prevent Trayvon from “getting away” and
    his possession of the gun gave him the courage to take matters into his
    own hands.GZ will be going to prison because vigilante justice is not
    a shield when you approach a lost adolescent trying to find his way home in an unfamiliar neighborhood where the homes all look similar.
    All Travon’s wanted to do was to take his drink and sktitles home to watch a NBA game and he didn’t need to be accosted by GZ for no legitimate reason other than he was wandering around in the rain wearing a hoodie by a grown man wannabe law enforcement officer.
    GZ should keep on eating as much as he has been because prison food
    will definitely not be as plentiful or interesting as what he has been
    feeding himself to bulk up.Maybe he thinks people in prison won’t
    choose to get involved with him if he appears to be a big man.Good luck
    with that!

    • December 11, 2012 9:04 pm

      Good points, Roger! Hello and welcome!

    • eclecticsandra permalink
      July 4, 2013 5:24 pm

      He got out of his truck before he was told to not follow. He was going back to the truck at that time.

  15. June 28, 2013 12:03 am

    I have been having an inkling that Zimmerman had the gun at when confronting Trayvon or shortly afterward. I think it’s possible Trayvon tried to defend himself. Zimmerman says that he forgot he had the gun until Martin “saw” it and tried to “grab” it. I think at one point, Trayvon was in fact on top of Zimmerman, trying to get the gun from him. Zimmerman “reached” his arms up, as he says in his interview, and Trayvon was able to get the gun down by Z’s head and hit him with it in an attempt to put out this armed intruder. I think Zimmerman’s story is half true. He omitted the fact that he ran around the outside road and met Martin right by where Martin lived. He omitted the fact that after confronting him, he pulled a gun on him. And Zimmerman replaced “my gun” with “sidewalk.” Zimmerman knew it would look bad to say he shot a guy who had his hands on his gun but didn’t shoot him, but hit him with it.

    • eclecticsandra permalink
      July 4, 2013 5:25 pm

      Have you compared your idea to the time and map of the complex? Do you think Zimmerman could run that fast and be talking on the phone?

      • Xena permalink
        July 4, 2013 5:43 pm

        Zimmerman told Singleton and Serino that when the dispatcher said “We don’t need you to do that,” that he was already on Retreat View Circle.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 5:50 pm

          The Circle goes all around the complex. He crossed the T and was on the Circle. He hadn’t gone down it yet when he was told to not follow. So he turned around and headed back. See Wagist.com for diagrams of the complex and the times of the call.

  16. Tonya permalink
    July 1, 2013 8:44 am

    I said this from the start when I saw the photo’s. The back of the head injury is superficial and the nose look like a “staged” hit!

  17. July 1, 2013 8:51 am

    Now we all know what Zimmerman was doing after he murdered Trayvon and was seen walking around doing something to the back of his head with his hand…. Always thought those superficial wounds were self inflicted and self serving. Zimmerman has displayed the same careless concern or emotion that the B.T.K. killer displayed. Watch the B.T.K. killer talk and then listen and watch George Zimmerman. Two peas in a pod and I am being serious! If you at the B.T.K. killer, he had ZERO emotions for his crimes too.

  18. July 1, 2013 9:05 am

    If Treyvon was on top & he was shot “point blank”, how come Zimmerman wasn’t completely covered in Treyvon’s blood. Surely blood would have splattered all over him if Treyvon is straddling him?

    • Guilty as Sin permalink
      July 1, 2013 12:55 pm

      Not necessarily. Once hit in the heart there’s little blood released from the body. I think Zimmerman held him in a scissor lock to restrain him, and in TM attempts to free himself TM snuffed his face in the ground resulting in his nose bleed. When he realized TM was not giving up so easily he shot him….in GZ statement he said he requested help to restrain him after he shot him. Which mean his whole intention was to restrain him, which by law is considered kidnaping. He deserves the death penalty.

    • eclecticsandra permalink
      July 4, 2013 5:27 pm

      TRayvon didn’t bleed very much because his heart stopped immediately.

      • Xena permalink
        July 4, 2013 5:56 pm

        According to yesterday’s testimony at trial, Trayvon bleed enough for Zimmerman to get Trayvon’s blood on the cuff of his jacket.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:04 pm

          There was some blood, but not a pool of blood.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:19 pm

          There was some blood, but not a pool of blood.

          From the sweatshirt shown in court yesterday, Trayvon bled pretty badly.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:31 pm

          Did you see how much blood was in the peritoneal space? He didn’t lose a lot outside of his body.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:47 pm

          @eclecticsandra. I’ll wait to hear the testimony of the ME.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:53 pm

          The autopsy is on line.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:56 pm

          The ME will testify according to the autopsy.

      • Xena permalink
        July 4, 2013 6:22 pm

        TRayvon didn’t bleed very much because his heart stopped immediately.

        Wouldn’t that refute Zimmerman’s claims that Trayvon sat up and talked, then struggled while still talking? Logically, if people can continue to talk when their heart stops, then every heart attack patient would be able to continue talking after their heart stops, right?

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:35 pm

          Yes it would indicate he couldn’t talk very long. His vocal chords were still complete, and he had some breath left. That did seem pretty dramatic. I think there is a lot of that encounter that Zimmerman didn’t remember, but he was trying to put things together. Z also indicated that he didn’t know Martin was dead, so maybe there was some sound he heard.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:50 pm

          Z also indicated that he didn’t know Martin was dead, so maybe there was some sound he heard.

          It really establishes a depraved mind to shoot someone, think they are still alive, but not call 911 for an ambulance.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:56 pm

          He knew the police were coming, and he heard the neighbor say he would call 911.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 7:25 pm

          Sanford Police Department emergency. Do you need police, fire or ambulance?

          “I don’t know, maybe both.”

          That is what Jenna Lauer said to 911 dispatch.

          OTOH, Zimmerman knew or had good reason to know after he shot Trayvon, that an ambulance was needed. The cops arriving is just that — not paramedics arriving. Since Zimmerman claimed being beaten within one inch of his life, he too should have wanted an ambulance.

          Zimmerman’s recently released phone records provide that after he shot Trayvon, he did make a phone call — to the NEN number. The length of the call indicates he hung up before being connected.

          The assumption that others would call 911 and an ambulance dispatched, when he had a working phone, did make a call, but not for an ambulance, reasonably indicates a depraved mind.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 7:32 pm

          Maybe in the process of getting to his phone he hit “redial.” John was the one who called, “I’ll call 911.” Zimmerman didn’t know his bullet connected, and he was trying to restrain Martin. Why would he be calling for an ambulance at that point?

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 7:46 pm

          Maybe in the process of getting to his phone he hit “redial.”

          While holding the phone to his ear as Jon took the photo of the back of his head?

          John was the one who called, “I’ll call 911.”

          As did others, which seemed to prompt Zimmerman to kill Trayvon before the police arrived.

          Zimmerman didn’t know his bullet connected,

          Yet, Zimmerman told the technician that he knew he was “on” Trayvon when aiming.

          and he was trying to restrain Martin.

          Which supports the prosecution that Zimmerman is a “wannabee cop.” He had no authority to restrain Trayvon.

          Why would he be calling for an ambulance at that point?

          For himself.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 8:00 pm

          If he was being attacked, he had the right to ask for police assistance in restraining the other man. I don’t think those pictures were on Zimmerman’s phone.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 8:14 pm

          @eclecticsandra. Later, I’ll respond to you on the most recent thread.

          Enjoy the holiday!

        • July 4, 2013 9:59 pm

          He didn’t call police and ask them to help restrain Travyvon. He refused to give them his location because he KNEW he wasn’t going to be at his truck when they got there. Common sense would tell you he wanted to handle things himself, and he did. George Zimmerman didn’t have the right to follow Trayvon and restrain him in any way.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 10:06 pm

          Why did he call them in the first place? Your idea makes no sense.

        • July 4, 2013 10:12 pm

          It makes perfect sense. He was preparing his story from the moment he picked up the phone to call NEN …. setting the stage to claim SYG. If he was calling to report a suspicious person and leave it at that, he would have gave the NEN the information they asked for … his location, or, he would have reported and went back home to mind his own business like a normal person does. WHY did George Zimmerman get out of his truck?

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 10:21 pm

          Why did he stop to report? Maybe he didn’t really want to make lunches that night and was looking for an excuse. Maybe he thought there was a UFO in the neighborhood. Why did he get out of the truck? So he would know where Martin went so he could report the location to the police.

        • July 4, 2013 10:22 pm

          “He ran …. down towards the back entrance” Job over ….go home.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 10:26 pm

          He didn’t know for sure. I agree he thought he was going for the back entrance, but as NW he was supposed to observe.

        • July 4, 2013 10:32 pm

          At that point his observing is over. Actually the moment he saw Trayvon, deemed him suspicious & called NEN, his obseriving was over. He is not a cop. He played his “role” and he had no further role to play, nor did he have the authority or the right to do anything further. I guess he forgot to read the NW handbook, or just blatantly ignored it. No where during that call did the dispatcher tell George, okay, stay on the line and tell us everything he does until the officers get there. Better yet, follow him so we know his every move. That is unheard of and absolutely a ridiculous notion.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 10:53 pm

          George is a little strange, and he was almost obsessed with stopping the burglaries. He was extremely compliant and figured he needed to find out where this person went. He had a right to be on those sidewalks. Nothing he did was illegal. But he wasn’t depraved. He sincerely wanted to stop the burglaries.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:06 pm

          How many ways can “We don’t need you to do that” be interpreted when the meaning is clear?

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:20 pm

          You are mixing up the times. He did not receive those admonitions until after he had been following TM. He got out of the car because he was too Gung Ho. He wanted to see where this “suspicious guy” was going. He had not intentions of shooting him. If he had, he would have had his firearm ready and picked TM off while he could still see him.

          I am a very liberal person, and if you see my postings you will know that I have a family of mixed backgrounds and have been strong in support of the civil rights movement since the 50’s. I originally thought this was a typical “lynching.” But as I studied the evidence and listened to the NEN call and saw the timing with the layout of the complex, I began to realize that Zimmerman was being used as a “fall guy.” He was being used to advance some agendas that were not his.

          I truly want justice. I didn’t know the title of this blog, but I feel justice for everyone is justice for Trayvon. We have to follow logic and law and avoid prejudice. I truly do not like being on the side of people who like the black people who submit to them and dislike the others. But I want justice.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:39 pm

          You are mixing up the times. He did not receive those admonitions until after he had been following TM.

          No mixing of times on my end.

          And now, you get on race. I’ve said nothing about race. Looks like you’re following Zidiot agenda.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:47 pm

          I don’t know what Zidiot agenda is. I only know that I have had to endure all sorts of racist comments in attempts to get information. We all know that there are two essential elements in this trial. Guns and race. Somebody wants people stirred up to go back to the good old days when everyone knew their place and spent lots of money on guns.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:35 pm

          If he was being attacked, he had the right to ask for police assistance in restraining the other man.

          But, the residents are not police and Zimmerman lacked authority to restrain anyone. In order to claim self-defense, the person must first try to remove themselves — not restrain the other person.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:41 pm

          If he was being attacked, he had the right to attempt restraint of the other person. He expected a response to his NEN call.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:58 pm

          @eclecticsandra.

          If he was being attacked, he had the right to attempt restraint of the other person.

          Zimmerman did — he admitted to having Trayvon’s arm pinned before he unholstered his gun.

        • July 4, 2013 9:50 pm

          @Xena, excellent response ;)

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 9:52 pm

          I never heard any communication about being “on” anyone.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:15 pm

          IIRC, it’s in one of the videos I already embedded. Zimmerman said that to the technician while waiting for his voice stress test. Have you been following the evidence in this case, or only anti-Trayvon argument points?

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:23 pm

          I did not see the stress test video. I have followed whatever I can find. I have even been getting up extra early to follow the trial. (I’m on PDT) All I am seeing here are the responses to my comments. Sorry.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:41 pm

          I did not see the stress test video.

          Why don’t you get up-to-date on all discovery material in the case before arguing contrary to that discovery material that includes Zimmerman’s words from his own mouth?

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:49 pm

          Mea culpa.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:23 pm

          @journey2justice.

          Just got back home. Hope you enjoyed the holiday. Hoodies up!

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:58 pm

          He didn’t think he hit him. All he needed was police assistance for restraint. That is not depraved.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 7:27 pm

          He didn’t think he hit him.

          Then Zimmerman was more depraved to not place interest in where the bullet went. He fired in a residential area.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 7:35 pm

          It is silly to think he would be concerned about where the bullet went while he was fighting for his life.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 7:47 pm

          It is silly to think he would be concerned about where the bullet went while he was fighting for his life.

          How was Zimmerman fighting for his life after he fired the shoot?

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 8:01 pm

          He didn’t think he had connected with that shot and assumed he was still in a struggle.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:33 pm

          He didn’t think he had connected with that shot and assumed he was still in a struggle.

          So the gun gave him the authority and courage he needed to restrain a live, unwounded human being?

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 7:53 pm

          Sorry. “shoot” should be “shot.”

          You know, there is a recent post where this discussion should be posted. You started your comments here on a page that was posted in December. I had commented to that page and receive notifications of new comments. You are not discussing the subject matter of the article that created this page, so it might be better for you to post your comments on the most recent page where those who did not post here 7 months ago might get notification of recently posted comments.

          Another reason I make that recommendation is because it’s a holiday, and I have some things scheduled so won’t be here much longer to respond to you.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 8:03 pm

          I didn’t realize it was an old page. I found it from a link on another site. Thanks.

        • July 4, 2013 10:18 pm

          What other site would that be? Perhaps the Conservative Treehouse website? I have to ask because this site is dedicated to Justice for Trayvon Martin, not George Zimmerman. You have a right to your own opinion but we don’t indulge in allowing the vilifying or the assassination of Trayvon’s character on this blog. I let your first few comments go because it looked like you were asking a question for clarification purposes, but I now see where this is going. I’ll have to end them here and direct you back to the Conservative Treehouse, because you wont find the answers you are looking for on this site.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 10:23 pm

          Mostly I post on liberal sites. I don’t remember where I got the link. Where have I said anything negative about Martin’s character? OK. I have other things to do.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:32 pm

          I found it from a link on another site.

          I just Googled for links where this page is found. In the second page of search returns is Re-newsit and the outhouse. None of it is recent, so you must have visited an old page on another blog to see the link. One thing that is apparent is that based on the hateful opinions on the aforementioned sites, you didn’t come here to support this one.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:39 pm

          It was a comment on another blog. I’ve been in a lot of places today. It was interesting that the link put me at the bottom of the comments, not on the main page.

        • July 4, 2013 9:18 pm

          @eclecticsandra: I dont believe that for a second. When he shot Trayvon, he shot to kill. That story is nonsense just the same as the story he told police about straddling Trayvon and pinning his arms out to the side is nonsense. Trayvon was not found like that, and dead people dont pull their arms back underneath their chest, the way he was found. The only reason he would have straddled Trayvon was because he heard him struggling for breath and chose to make sure that Trayvon was indeed dead, so he would never be able to tell his side of the story.

  19. July 1, 2013 10:30 am

    I am looking at this and sending it to the prosecution team as we post… I’m hopeful they may already have something like this on hand and an expert witness to testify to such. Wow! Trayvon never had any of Zimmerman’s DNA on his hands, fingernails, knuckles, NOWHERE was Zimmerman’s DNA on Trayvon at all. How could Trayvon then have punched fatso in his face 20 to 30 times? Surely fatso’s face would have resembled much more than a bloody nose had he been punched 20 to 30 times in the face. The medical records came out in court that he did not h broken nose. This is an amazing shot of Zimmerman’s head because concrete doesn’t make curved marks like the ones on his head when a head hits concrete.

    • eclecticsandra permalink
      July 4, 2013 5:29 pm

      The reports indicated that he had a broken nose.

      • Xena permalink
        July 4, 2013 5:53 pm

        A screen capture of Zimmerman’s medical report is in the following. The physician’s assistance who treated Zimmerman on 2/27/12 has already testified at trial. There is no report confirming that Zimmerman’s nose was broken and even if it was, a broken nose does not justify using deadly force.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:02 pm

          Someone said it was broken. No, it does not justify deadly force. However, fear for his life when TM found the gun was justification.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:28 pm

          However, fear for his life when TM found the gun was justification.

          According to Zimmerman, he had Trayvon’s arm pinned so he couldn’t reach the gun. Also, if going for the gun is Zimmerman’s justification for using deadly force, why are his lawyers focusing on the nose and head injuries?

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:38 pm

          They have good reason to focus on the injuries because too many people think he wasn’t injured that much. In the cross with the JAG witness, they focused on the self defense and stand your ground laws. By these no injury is required. I’m sure we will hear a lot more. The defense hasn’t even begun.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 6:55 pm

          They have good reason to focus on the injuries because too many people think he wasn’t injured that much.

          The only people that matter are the 6 jury members.

          In the cross with the JAG witness, they focused on the self defense and stand your ground laws. By these no injury is required.

          Judge Nelson sustained the objection to stop the defense from trying to get an interpretation of self-defense law.

          I’m sure we will hear a lot more. The defense hasn’t even begun.

          I’m hoping for more, but O’Mara has told the media that he might not put on a defense.

  20. Maria permalink
    July 1, 2013 10:52 am

    Zimmies cuts are self inflicted.

  21. Linda permalink
    July 1, 2013 12:57 pm

    I have a question. There seems to be a gap of missing info in all the verbal and written accounts by George Zimmerman as to what happened with his gun after he fired it. First of all, if Martin was indeed on top of him, holding his hand over his mouth, suffocating him, along with slamming his head into the ground, why was there no pool of blood on the ground. Also, how could he unholster a gun and grab it and shoot if another adult was on top of him, holding him down.. After the gun fired, he makes no mention that he put it back into the holster. Check the testimony. He claims he fired and then after Trayvon fell dead, he got on top to hold his arms out and restrain him???? No place did he say he put the gun in his holster. At the live video re-enactment, he more or less motions as if the gun was on the ground, next to his hand while he restrained Trayvon, who was dead and probably didn’t need to be restrained. So when did he put the gun back?? He never says. Anybody know?

    • eclecticsandra permalink
      July 4, 2013 5:30 pm

      In one interview he did say he reholstered his gun. He knew the police were coming and was afraid they would shoot him if they saw the gun in his hand.

  22. Mark permalink
    July 2, 2013 12:43 pm

    Zimmerman smashed his own face and head with the firearm.. I hope there is forensics on that.

    • July 2, 2013 4:47 pm

      They certainly are rolling out these forensics slow aren’t they?

    • eclecticsandra permalink
      July 4, 2013 7:01 pm

      We will be hearing from another expert witness on the injuries. The pictures given to Rao were not a clear as others that are available. When did he have time to smash himself? Why would he?

      • July 4, 2013 9:21 pm

        To answer that, you have to be a liar like George Zimmerman. If Zimmerman didn’t inflict the injuries on himself, I believe another possibility was that he fell when trying to restrain Trayvon – it was raining. It’s very easy to small and smash your head once and obtain those injuries. I also believe that if Trayvon had ANY contact at all with George, at the very most he threw an elbow trying to get away. There are a ton of other way to achieve the injuries that George Zimmerman got that night.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 9:50 pm

          So, why was Trayvon at the top of the T. He should have been safely home by that time.

        • July 4, 2013 9:53 pm

          Zimmerman admitted to following Trayvon. How do you know that he didn’t keep Trayvon from getting home, how do you know Trayvon wasn’t hiding? Witnesses heard a chase and movement from left to right. How do you know there wasn’t a chase already in progress before they actually got close enough for the witness to hear them?

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 10:04 pm

          So GZ was talking on the phone to the dispatcher while he was restraining TM? TM had plenty of time to get back to the Green home.

        • July 4, 2013 10:08 pm

          No. George Zimmerman hung up the phone and continued to follow him, later changed it to going “in the same direction” to “look for a street sign. That theory/LIE as clearly debunked when house number was shown in reenactment. Again, how do you know what George did and didn’t do when he hung up the phone? “Have the officer call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at” …….

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 10:18 pm

          Look at the timing. There was very little time between the time he hung up and the first 911 calls came in. He wasn’t sure of the street name, but he did know the name of the Circle because he lived on it. He needed a house number from the Circle. Pay attention.

        • July 4, 2013 11:39 pm

          Ummm. There were about 2 minutes between the time he hung up with NEN and the first 911 call.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:44 pm

          I don’t remember how long it was, but I do know there was a problem with the timing with different ways of timing calls. Okay, two minutes. Show me how he would have attacked Martin and shot him in two minutes.

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 12:04 am

          The problem with Zimmerman’s story is that he told Singleton and Serino that he was on Retreat View Circle when told “We don’t need you to do that.” In his re-enactment, he says he was “back there” when told “We don’t need you to do that.”

          If we take that as truth, then Zimmerman should have still been on the phone with NEN dispatch when he passed the T going back to his truck. We should have heard Trayvon say, “You got a problem?”

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:55 pm

          @TSNR.

          There were about 2 minutes between the time he hung up with NEN and the first 911 call.

          Right! And only about 45 seconds from when the screams for help started until the gunshot. According to GZ, in less than one minute, he had his head bashed numerous times on concrete; shimmied off the concrete; talked to John; was smothered; was told that he was going to die; pinned Trayvon’s arm underneath his own; unholstered his gun; aimed, making sure his left hand was out of the path of the bullet; and fired the gun.

          It would take his big behind longer than that to shimmy.

        • July 4, 2013 11:58 pm

          Gz spent more time on the phone with NEM than in a “fight” where he murdered a “kid” “in his late teens.”

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 12:12 am

          @TSNR.

          Gz spent more time on the phone with NEM than in a “fight” where he murdered a “kid” “in his late teens.”

          Sure did.

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:21 pm

          @eclecticsandra.

          He should have been safely home by that time.

          And, all the people in the Twin Towers on 9/11 should have been safely out of the buildings before they collapsed.

          All the women ever raped should have worn chastity belts.

          All of John Wayne Gacy’s victims should have safely found other jobs rather than go to work for Gacy.

          The Captain of the Titanic should have safely turned the ship away from the iceberg.

          All Jews in Eastern Europe during WWII should have safely hid from the Nazis.

          All Native Americans should have safely hid in the mountains before the cavalry arrived.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:29 pm

          Very nice. I’ll match every “why did Zimmerman get out of the car?” with a “why didn’t Martin go home?”

        • Xena permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:44 pm

          Very nice. I’ll match every “why did Zimmerman get out of the car?” with a “why didn’t Martin go home?”

          I didn’t ask you why Zimmerman got out of his car. Rather, I applied your logic to other crimes where you can blame the victims for their own death.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 4, 2013 11:54 pm

          Okay. We were using different premises. I do not want to blame victims. I want to look at the accused being innocent until proven guilty. I also feel that Zimmerman has been made into an ogre that he is not. Both of these men were not acting entirely reasonable. They were acting on “primal” needs. I’m not blaming men because women do this too. But both of them acted in ways that ended their lives. One permanently, and the other essentially. Law should not be held hostage to primal instincts.

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 12:11 am

          @eclecticsandra. Okay. I see why you look at this case from your perspective. You disagree with Florida emancipation law. Many states have the same emancipation law. It says that people are not “emancipated” until the age of 18. Simply put, people are not considered adults until the age of 18.

          Since you see a 17 year old as a “man,” then it paints your perception of the case prejudicially. In his NEN call, even Zimmerman referred to Trayvon as “kid.”

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 5, 2013 12:15 am

          I am not concerned with age here. Maybe I should have used the term “male.”

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 12:44 am

          Maybe I should have used the term “male.”

          Zimmerman didn’t refer to Trayvon as a “male” in his NEN call. Why not just use the term that Zimmerman used, i.e., “kid” or another correct term for a 17 year old which is “teen”?

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 5, 2013 12:57 am

          Why is this important? I was referring to the male instincts/rivalry/territoriality. Those elements got into this, and now the justice system has to sort it out.

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 1:14 am

          Why is this important? I was referring to the male instincts/rivalry/territoriality.

          No eclecticsandra. You referred to Trayvon as a “man” and when referring to him and Zimmerman, you used “men.” “Men” refers to adults. Pursuant to Florida law, people are not adults until the age of 18 years.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 5, 2013 1:28 am

          I’m sorry. My viewpoint can not be regulated by Florida law. I am a scientist and use scientific terms, not legal terms.

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 1:48 am

          My viewpoint can not be regulated by Florida law.

          Unless you’re an elected or appointed judge in the State of Florida, your education or career does not interpret Florida law neither change the definition of terms therein. The case is under the jurisdiction of the State of Florida.

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 5, 2013 7:14 am

          I’m not in Florida. Why is my speech regulated by that state?

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 1:42 pm

          @eclecticsandra.

          Why is my speech regulated by that state?

          You’re arguing a criminal case that is under the jurisdiction of the courts in the State of Florida. Florida emancipation statute sets forth that a person becomes an adult at the age of 18 years old.

        • July 5, 2013 3:03 pm

          In what state is someone considered an adult at 17? Gee, can’t vote, can’t join the military, can’t sign a contract, can’t even quit school at that age without parental consent….soooo?

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 3:30 pm

          @TNSR. In Arkansas, Nevada, Ohio, Tennessee, Utah and Wisconsin, the age of emancipation is 18 or graduation from high school. For example, if Rachel Jeantel at the age of 19 resided in one of those states, she would still be considered a minor because she is still a high school student.

        • July 5, 2013 3:32 pm

          In PA, the age is 18 regardless of student status. My niece learned the hard way, a month after turning 18 when she was hit by a drunk hit and run driver.

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 3:43 pm

          @TSNR. OH NO!! So sorry to hear that. Please tell me she survived.

        • July 5, 2013 3:46 pm

          Oh yes! Lawdy. I would be done. She was badly injured, however. Dislocated shoulder and broken arm resulting in a surgery to have a steel plate place on her arm. She did qualify as a life guard where she works at Girl Scout camp this summer. :)

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 4:34 pm

          @TSNR. (Whew) Good to hear, and looks like there is still a silver lining in that cloud because she’s able to work as a life guard. Bless her heart.

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 3:10 pm

          @eclecticsandra.

          I’m not in Florida. Why is my speech regulated by that state?

          Do you drive within the posted speed limits in other states?

        • eclecticsandra permalink
          July 5, 2013 3:16 pm

          That has nothing to do with my reference to a person. It is my way of talking and not subject to your censor.

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 3:18 pm

          @eclecticsandra.

          That has nothing to do with my reference to a person.

          You’re stating your opinion about a murder case under the jurisdiction of the court in the State of Florida. Sorry, but I thought you would appreciate knowing Florida statute in order to establish your opinion on facts.

  23. July 2, 2013 6:23 pm

    George Zimmerman SLIPS UP DURING REENACTMENT. Heres what i think really happened, as it comes straight out of GZ’s mouth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdoN90Tis7s

  24. Ripley in CT permalink
    July 3, 2013 4:47 pm

    I have been saying this all along, especially after a witness described Zimmerman standing up after shooting Martin, with one hand on his hip and the other on his head. He put the hand on his head with the gun in it, and it cut him. I’d love to know what kind of DNA of Zimmerman’s was found on the gun. Did they test it for skin cells or just blood? This case is a cluster.

  25. Nicole permalink
    July 4, 2013 4:21 pm

    Well doesn’t this explain a lot? It explains why there were no prints on the gun. That’s a bit far-fetched considered someone fired the gun so it’s obvious that it was wiped clean. But why was it wiped clean? Why would anyone find anything on the gun but prints and maybe blood? Hmmm….

    • eclecticsandra permalink
      July 4, 2013 7:38 pm

      I thought they found a print that couldn’t be used. This would indicate it wasn’t wiped clean.

  26. eclecticsandra permalink
    July 4, 2013 5:15 pm

    What about the contusions on the lower part of the scalp?

  27. July 4, 2013 6:28 pm

    I think that GZ approached TM, and tried to restrain him from going anywhere! Because honestly those wounds on the back is not consistent with someone banging your head against the pavement a dozen times. Let’s be real! Trayvon was scared for his life and was trying to fight him away! GZ told TM that he was going to die tonight, and got on top of him and shot him in the heart!

  28. deefirst permalink
    July 4, 2013 7:38 pm

    George Zimmermans most out spoken friends is behind those injuries. I believe George friends helped him get those scars in the back of his head. Jeffrey the cop and Taffe was present with him that night to make it look like Trayvon attacked him.

    • July 4, 2013 9:51 pm

      I wouldnt put anything past that racist drunk! That man is full or hatred.

      • blushedbrown permalink
        July 5, 2013 1:34 am

        @journey2justice

        Journey wrote:
        Zimmerman admitted to following Trayvon. How do you know that he didn’t keep Trayvon from getting home, how do you know Trayvon wasn’t hiding?

        I know this question is rhetorical. May I offer some assistance, GZ claims that Trayvon was either hiding or jumped out of the bushes. Neither is the truth. Listening to the interview conducted by Inv. Singleton, he did that he jumped out of the bushes, but then changed that statement to “He walked back towards him”. Are we to believe A) He jumped out of some bushes that he may have been hiding from GZ that are only about 3/4 feet tall and a couple feet away from the dog path or B) He walked back towards him like he said because he got out of car, was looking for him found him and WALKED BACK TOWARDS HIM.

        The transcript from this interview can be found on page 19 of 524.

        http://www.5dca.org/Clerk/George%20Zimmerman%2012-3198/12-3198_Appendix.pdf

        audio to the transcript

        listen forward from 22:15

        http ://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/audio/george-zimmermans-statements-sanford-pd-audio/

        • Xena permalink
          July 5, 2013 1:50 am

          Here is that portion;

        • July 9, 2013 10:09 pm

          None of that crap matters. Zimmerman had an obligation to identify himself so that he would not be perceived as a predator which is what Trayvon thought he was. So the kid was WELL in his rights to use whatever tactic he thought he needed to use, fearing for his own life, to get the jump on this murderer. Zimmerman knew exactly what he was doing, he’s been to law enforcement classes and knew how to cause a subject to feel threatened therefore cause himself to be attacked so that he could use the “stand your ground law” he said he knew nothing about on “Slant Head’s” show. His motive is in his call to the dispatcher: “These punks – they always get away.” = HERO. You folks keep having a nonsense argument. Zimmerman was not afraid. If he was he should have Identified himself when Trayvon asked him, “why are you following me? Do you have a problem?” Zimmerman, “Auh HI! I’m with community watch.” But he CHOSES TO SAY, “No, I don’t have a problem.” You folks are dense. And so is the prosecution for allowing this case to go beyond that point. Who gives a crap if Zimmerman was afraid? IF HE WAS, IT’S BECAUSE HE PUT HIMSELF IN A PREDATORS POSITION BY NOT IDENTIFYING HIMSELF.

  29. July 6, 2013 2:58 pm

    Hello Rag tag bunch of Zidiots! Thanks for the traffic but this is a no #nutter kind of blog :)

  30. July 9, 2013 9:49 pm

    More importantly, this cancels out the pavement theory and adds a more plausible one at the least because, the pavement sure ain’t shaped like that!!!

  31. Beverley permalink
    July 22, 2013 8:43 am

    I have always said that G Z inflicted his wounds himself…….he had to have a reason for STAND OUR GROUND….and he was drying self defense….he is pathetic, he put those superficial wounds on his own face and head with his own gun…….we have had many conversations about this exact topic…..I PRAY they go forward with the DOJ…..he should not be free for taking Trayvons young life……PERIOD

  32. Yolanda Cloud permalink
    August 4, 2013 9:05 am

    Wasnt it told trayvon didnt kno he had a gun until he tried reachin for it? So Zimmerman beat hisself in the head before he shot trayvon

  33. August 4, 2013 3:48 pm

    Pathetic how the State did not work hard enough to pursue and prove certain evidence that was very staring them right in the face and clear to the public eye!
    They just went thru the motions to get it over with.
    SAD!

  34. Maria permalink
    August 4, 2013 11:37 pm

    I knew it was self inflicted all along.

  35. crissy permalink
    August 5, 2013 8:53 am

    I was saying either the first responders did this or he had someone from his family hit him I will be glad when the guilty verdict comes and smack him in the back of his head

  36. Justin permalink
    November 23, 2013 1:40 pm

    Is it alright if I use these photos in a book I am writing?

    • trayvonstruth permalink
      November 23, 2013 3:47 pm

      Let me check with the person who made them and I’ll get back with you as soon as I have an answer. I doubt he will mind but would like to check just to make sure.

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